The Tony Hawk documentary (Until The Wheels Fall Off) kicked my ass. It’s not just fan worship, and it’s also not whatever you’d call The Last Dance. It’s a story about life, families, trying hard, working harder, and how a little luck can do wonders for a persistent spirit. 

I didn’t want the documentary to end. So now, when a WTF interview pops up a few weeks later, I can’t resist. 

And like all the pain and frustration and get-back-uppedness of the documentary, here’s Tony Hawk hanging out with Mark Maron, with a broken leg, talking about why it’s so hard to quit something you love. 

It’s a beautiful conversation. Maybe I’m just a (getting) old(er) dog who appreciates how the best of the best of their respective games age, but I find this fascinating and I think you might too. 

Listen to Tony Hawk on WTF with Mark Maron.

Ps. As a fellow non-skate boarder / extreme sports person, I took extra pride in Mark saying, “I don’t take physical risks, just emotional ones.” So good.