For years, I've been connecting with interesting people and documenting insights that might help my clients and myself. What was once private is now (mostly) public.
People often ask: "How do you know all these people?" and "How do you connect these (re: random) ideas?" The answer is simple: consistent relationship cultivation and thoughtful note taking. My north star is trusting my instincts, my maps are the constellations in these reflections.
This approach to multidisciplinary networking has helped dozens of clients, colleagues, and friends strengthen their networks and unlock new opportunities. Feel free to steal these ideas directly - that's what they're for! I can't promise you'll learn FROM me, but I guarantee you can learn something WITH me. Let's go. Count it off: 1-2-3-4!
Introducing... Joe Pine!
Do you know Joe Pine? He's the author of The Experience Economy and The Transformation Economy, a Strategic Horizons advisor, and one of the most thoughtful observers of how value actually gets created in the modern economy.
If not, allow me to introduce you. Joe has spent decades building frameworks that help companies and creators understand how to move from selling commodities to goods to services to experiences - and now, to transformations. He's the kind of thinker who sits in the back of the room observing, taking notes, and suddenly sees a pattern that changes how entire industries operate.
I wanted to connect with him because he's spent his career documenting what Shannon Staton does instinctively - and I wanted them to recognize themselves in each other.
Our conversation is LIVE now on the Just Press Record YouTube channel. Listen and you'll hear two people discovering that they've been building the same thing from different angles - one through frameworks and books, one through lived practice and curation.
THREE: That's The Magic Number of Lessons
In the meantime, I wanted to pull THREE KEY LESSONS from my time with Joe to share with you (and drop into my Personal Archive).
Read on and you'll find a quote with a lesson and a reflection you can Take to work with you, Bring home with you, and Leave behind with your legacy.
WORK: When Mass Customization Becomes Experience
In one of these sessions, there was a guy in the back of the room, one of the consultants who was sort of a smart Alec, and he said, "Well, you know, you talk about service companies that mass customize. What does it turn a service into?" And I said, "Well, mass customization automatically turns a service into an experience." And I went, "Whoa, that sounds good." Hold on a sec, I gotta write that down. If you design a service that's so appropriate for a particular person - exactly what they need at this moment - you can't help but make them go wow and turn it into a memorable event.
Key Concept: Joe's sitting in a consulting session when a challenge reframes his entire thinking. The insight isn't abstract - it's triggered by a question about what happens when customization meets service delivery. He sees it in real time: if you tailor something specifically for one person's needs in that specific moment, you can't help but create an experience worth remembering. It's the difference between a transaction and a moment that matters.
Personal Archive Note-To-Self: I don't know why Joe's work started to hit me as hard as it did in 2019 apparently (that's the power of keeping a Personal Archive, you can see when stuff must have really been taking root), but I'm guessing it had to do with seeing the link between -er's and -ing's.
Take Joe's story here and, I'll borrow from comedy because this is what it all ties back to for me - think about a heckler. A heckler, for the uninitiated, is an interrupter of sorts. They're an audience member who inverts the expectation of attention at a live performance. Typically by hurling an insult or a critique from their non-amplified place in the audience, at the performer on stage, it can immediately upend the flow of the event, as well as the experience for everybody else who's there.
It also creates a strange opportunity of sorts for the comedian. Heckling the heckler back is an art form. It resets the status expectations of the entire experience when done well, and, this is not done in the interest of promoting heckling but we have to say it - increases the uniqueness of the shared experience in the moment.
This unplannable, completely serendipitous reminder that any performance is on a high-wire and constantly at risk of falling apart, is one of the most attention capturing and shareworthy concepts we humans have access to. If you can capture those at work, in front of clients or an audience so that it enhances the story-value of what you're doing, it's magic.
Work question for you: When was the last time you designed something specifically for one person's needs in that moment? What made it different from what you typically do?
LIFE: What People Value With Experiences Is Time
I've long used Starbucks as the paragon of the experience economy. But we wrote an article for Harvard Business Review where we said Starbucks was commoditizing itself. They're getting rid of comfy chairs so people spend less time there. What people value with experiences is time. They're taking out electrical outlets, vacuum sealing the coffee so you don't even smell it, printing names on labels instead of writing them by hand. How anti-authentic. The mobile ordering impinges on the in-place experience that you want to have.
Key Concept: Joe uses Starbucks as a case study in how quickly you can accidentally kill what you built. Each decision - removing chairs, sealing the coffee, printing labels instead of writing names - removes a layer of what made the experience valuable in the first place. The principle is quiet but devastating: experiences run on time, senses, and human touch. Remove those and you've commoditized something that was supposed to be memorable.
Personal Archive Note-To-Self: If I turn this section into a discussion on my obsession with third spaces we might lose track of the LIFE thread but - this is what life is. We move between physical space, across time, and with experience as the ruler that taste arises from, we really can't talk about life without also talking about third spaces. Which, if you've forgotten, was kind of the entire value prop of OG Starbucks so, let's do this.
The idea comes from sociology and once you know it you start to see it everywhere. Home is our first space. Work is our second space. That checks most of our social/time boxes neatly enough, covering not just who we spend most of our time with, but also where we do it. The Starbucks idea, as well as your neighborhood bar/pizza spot/buddy's basement, is that third spaces are special because they are our non-familial, non-work/transactional spaces, to be sociable humans.
Curating (creating, and protecting) a third space is therefore extra special, not just in concept, but in society. They free people from the (usually more well-established) home and work structures, and create an alternate means of connecting with the world. Identities and meanings are formed in these spaces. And with so much of the world moving online in the past few decades, we are at risk of losing them. Life doesn't get all of its meaning from home and work - we need to stretch out, and that requires noticing how space and time are being treated.
Life question for you: What "time-killing" habit have you built into your own work or relationships that you could eliminate?
LEGACY: The Collective as a Chrysalis
You think of The Collective as a chrysalis - a place between who they were and who they're going to become. A place outside of work and home for them as well, where they can be themselves and open up. And when you do that encapsulation, you could provide even more value by helping them on whatever journey they're on. Most all of them have a journey when they arrive to you, and maybe part of the preparation is a diagnosis: what is your journey, where are you, and how can we help you as you go through?
Key Concept: The chrysalis isn't the destination - it's a new beginning in the making. Joe uses this metaphor to describe a space specifically designed for transformation - not work, not home, but a threshold where people can be themselves and shift. The real work isn't just creating that space; it's understanding that everyone arrives on their own journey, and the preparation phase is about diagnosis. You're asking: where are you starting, and what does the path forward look like for you?
Personal Archive Note-To-Self: I love the idea of a third space as a chrysalis, especially as it relates to the other spaces. If you're a little lost on elementary school biology, we're talking about the moment when the caterpillar builds its shell to turn into a butterfly. It happens away from family, it happens away from whatever caterpillar or butterfly equivalent to work is (hanging on sticks or flittering about, I guess?), and it is a self-encapsulated moment of literal transformation.
A third space as a chrysalis can happen anywhere, in any format. What matters is the outcome - taking people from one self-understanding to another. If done right, just like we humans keep changing over a lifetime, a provider of chrysalis moments can use this concept to never get stale. It's almost impossible, but if you get who your returning clientele are, all you have to do is play really close attention. Which is what I see Shannon doing, and Joe gets it too. It's also what Shannon's intuiting, brilliantly by the way, and getting some words on it is nothing short of poetic.
Now, I needed this framing too. Because I see third spaces online, especially in the land of YouTube and podcasts, and it's foundational (you figured it out already, right?) for Just Press Record. Two people, a completely unique experience, and hopefully they're at least friendly and collaborative after - I can introduce the entire world to each other 2 at a time and never run out of content, this is the idea, you know?
The trick, in all of this, and the tie-in to legacy, is that you never let the transformations get stale. Even if the routines are an over and over and over again thing, the people who are experiencing it must have the sense of the chrysalis, of who they were before, and who they've become after, and that is pretty much the fountain of sociological youth. I believe we can figure that out for ourselves. I believe we can teach others to multiply the idea. I believe the world is a better place after we're done with it if we've passed these concepts down.
Legacy question for you: What would change if you thought of your work as helping people diagnose their own journey rather than prescribing the path?
BEFORE YOU GO: Be sure to…
Check out his firm Strategic Horizons (with partner Jim Gilmore)
Read The Experience Economy (Updated Edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-experience-economy-updated-edition-b-joseph-pine-ii/1127195748
Read The Transformation Economy: https://www.porchlightbooks.com/products/transformation-economy-b-joseph-pine-ii-9798892791373
Follow his thinking on Substack (he wrote his latest book live on Substack, so follow along for obvious future-related reasons)
Take a moment to reflect on all these ideas!
You have a Personal Network and a Personal Archive just waiting for you to build them up stronger. Look at your work, look at your life, and look at your legacy - and then, start small in each category. Today it's one person and one reflection. Tomorrow? Who knows what connections you'll create.
Don't forget to click reply/click here and tell me who you're adding to your network and why! Plus, if you already have your own Personal Archive too, let me know, I'm creating a database.
Want more? Find my Personal Archive on CultishCreative.com, watch me build a better Personal Network on the Cultish Creative YouTube channel, and listen to Just Press Record on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, and follow me on social media (LinkedIn and X) - now distributed by Epsilon Theory.
You can also check out my work as Managing Director at Sunpointe, as a host on top investment YouTube channel Excess Returns, and as Senior Editor at Perscient.
ps. AI helped me pull and organize quotes from the transcript, structure the three lessons, and sharpen the Key Concepts. If you're curious about how I use AI while keeping editorial control and my own voice intact, I wrote about my personal rules here: Did AI Do That: Personal Rules

